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		<title>TOSCA may prove a prescient name for new cloud standards effort</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, open standards body OASIS unveiled yet another shiny new standards effort. The OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) Technical Committee hopes to make it &#8220;easier to deploy cloud applications without vendor lock-in,&#8221; and to support moving from one cloud to another. The usual suspects — the likes of IBM, CA, and Cisco [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last week, open standards body <a href="http://www.oasis-open.org/">OASIS</a> unveiled <a href="http://www.oasis-open.org/news/pr/tosca-tc">yet another shiny new standards effort</a>. The OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (<a href="http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=tosca">TOSCA</a>) Technical Committee hopes to make it &#8220;easier to deploy cloud applications without vendor lock-in,&#8221; and to support moving from one cloud to another. The usual suspects — the likes of IBM, CA, and Cisco — are on board. The usual holdouts — Google and Amazon, of course — are not. So what is TOSCA trying to achieve? How does it fit alongside all the dead, dying, or ponderously deliberating cloud standardisation efforts that have gone before? And without the giants of the cloud, is there really any point bothering?</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve probably mentioned before, involvement in various national and international standardisation efforts played a big part in my early career. I went to the working group meetings in odd (but often beautiful) locations. I participated in the conference calls. I engaged on the mailing lists. I drafted and edited and reviewed the documents. I completely buy into the idea that there is a place for foundational standards, developed through consensus-building and maintained for the long haul by organisations that stand apart from the vested interests and their competing agendas.</p>
<p>I also believe that there&#8217;s a time and a place for these standardisation efforts. Do it too soon, and we end up ossifying something that <em>needs</em> to be in a state of flux. When you don&#8217;t know what the best way to prepare a meal is, it&#8217;s too soon to print the recipe book. We need to try different approaches, and we need to be able to throw away the attempts that didn&#8217;t work out. More worryingly, standardisation efforts can be used for political ends. They can be little more than a rod with which to beat the (usually dominant) competition. At best a distraction, or a talking shop for those unwilling or unable to just get on and <em>do</em> something. At worst, one amongst a toolchest of dirty tricks in a broader war for hearts, minds, and — ultimately — wallets.</p>
<p>The cloud market is a fascinating place. There are leaders and there are followers. There is innovation, and there is competition. There is agreement, and there is debate. For all the rhetoric, and all the posturing, we really don&#8217;t yet know the <em>right</em> answer to many of the cloud&#8217;s questions.</p>
<p>Maybe TOSCA and the Open Data Center Alliance and IEEE and the rest are — still — too early, and should be content to let the <em>market</em> thrash out a few more of these issues before anyone tries to write anything down? And when it is time to write some stuff down, let&#8217;s make sure we focus on specific, finite, tangible, atomic tasks rather than &#8220;the cloud.&#8221; As Dave Roberts <a href="http://www.servicemesh.com/posts/bearish-on-tosca/">commented</a> in regard to TOSCA&#8217;s scope;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;That goal is so large, that I think it’s probably unbounded. When problems get unbounded, the best you can ever hope to achieve is to solve a large enough subset of the problem that the solution is still interesting. If you can’t achieve that, people ignore the solution because it fundamentally doesn’t help them. There is always an &#8216;interesting&#8217; part of the problem space that they have to solve a different way, and that undercuts the use of the partial &#8216;solution.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And as for Tosca? Things <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosca#Act_3">didn&#8217;t end well</a> for her, did they? Might TOSCA&#8217;s fate, too, be sealed?</p>
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		<title>Discussing Cisco&#8217;s Unified Computing System with Wendy Mars</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 12:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Global networking giant Cisco unveiled Unified Service Delivery (USD) last week, following up on the company&#8217;s enthusuastically welcomed Unified Computing System (UCS) hardware announcement back in March. Taken together, these announcements shed light on the company&#8217;s strategy to strengthen its hold over the data centre, and to offer solutions tailored toward the evolving needs of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright" style="margin: 6px;" title="Wendy Mars, image (c) Cisco" src="http://cloudofdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/wmars-150x225shkl.jpg" alt="Wmars_150x225.shkl.jpg" width="150" height="225" />Global networking giant Cisco <a href="http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2009/prod_051109.html">unveiled</a> Unified Service Delivery (USD) last week, following up on the company&#8217;s enthusuastically welcomed <a href="http://www.cisco.com/go/unifiedcomputing">Unified Computing System</a> (UCS) hardware <a href="http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2009/prod_031609.html">announcement</a> back in March.</p>
<p>Taken together, these announcements shed light on the company&#8217;s strategy to strengthen its hold over the data centre, and to offer solutions tailored toward the evolving needs of organisations keen to capitalise upon Cloud Computing&#8217;s promise; both inside the private data centre and in interactions with remote resources elsewhere on the network.</p>
<p>I spoke with Wendy Mars, Cisco&#8217;s Director for Data Centres and UCS here in Europe, and the result has just been released as a podcast.</p>
<p>We talk about UCS and USD, and explore some of the use cases emerging as beta customers and Cisco itself put these technologies through their paces ahead of a broader roll-out in the coming months.</p>
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<p><em>Production of this podcast was supported by <a class="zem_slink" title="Talis Group" rel="homepage" href="http://www.talis.com/">Talis</a>, and <a href="http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/2009/05/wendy-mars-talks-about-ciscos-unified-computing-system-and-the-cloud.php">show notes</a> are available on their <a class="zem_slink" title="Nodalities" rel="homepage" href="http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/">Nodalities</a> blog.</em></p>
<p>In related news, Cisco released a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDUbttbatBo">video</a> on YouTube this month in which Wendy responds directly to some of the questions asked about UCS following its announcement, and this is embedded below.</p>
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		<itunes:subtitle>Global networking giant Cisco unveiled Unified Service Delivery (USD) last week, following up on the company&#8217;s enthusuastically welcomed Unified Computing System (UCS) hardware announcement back in March.
Taken together, these announcements sh[...]</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>Global networking giant Cisco unveiled Unified Service Delivery (USD) last week, following up on the company&#8217;s enthusuastically welcomed Unified Computing System (UCS) hardware announcement back in March.
Taken together, these announcements shed light on the company&#8217;s strategy to strengthen its hold over the data centre, and to offer solutions tailored toward the evolving needs of organisations keen to capitalise upon Cloud Computing&#8217;s promise; both inside the private data centre and in interactions with remote resources elsewhere on the network.
I spoke with Wendy Mars, Cisco&#8217;s Director for Data Centres and UCS here in Europe, and the result has just been released as a podcast.
We talk about UCS and USD, and explore some of the use cases emerging as beta customers and Cisco itself put these technologies through their paces ahead of a broader roll-out in the coming months.

Production of this podcast was supported by Talis, and show notes are available on their Nodalities blog.
In related news, Cisco released a video on YouTube this month in which Wendy responds directly to some of the questions asked about UCS following its announcement, and this is embedded below.
 
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