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<p><a href="http://www.twitter.com">Twitter</a> is <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=&amp;ands=IBM+Sun&amp;phrase=&amp;ors=&amp;nots=&amp;tag=&amp;lang=all&amp;from=&amp;to=&amp;ref=&amp;near=&amp;within=15&amp;units=mi&amp;since=2009-03-17&amp;until=&amp;rpp=50">aflutter</a> once again this morning, this time over a <em><a class="zem_slink" title="The Wall Street Journal" rel="homepage" href="http://www.wsj.com/">Wall Street Journal</a></em> suggestion that &#8216;<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123735970806267921.html">IBM in talks to buy Sun</a>.&#8217; I am not able to comment on the veracity of the rumour itself, but it&#8217;s clear that <a href="http://www.sun.com/">Sun</a> needs to do something in order to strengthen its position in a competitive market. Selling to <a href="http://www.ibm.com/">IBM</a> is certainly one route, but an easier one might be the provision of a more complete Sun-badged proposition.</p>
<p>Elsewhere on WSJ.com this morning, in news that seems extremely unlikely to be unconnected, <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/03/18/sun-like-others-has-its-head-in-the-clouds/">Don Clark reports</a> on Sun&#8217;s</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;plans to offer its own cloud-style services. Sun also plans to offer software, as well as hardware, to other companies that want to build clouds.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Alongside competitive enterprise server hardware and Sun&#8217;s widely used stable of open source software (<a class="zem_slink" title="Solaris (operating system)" rel="homepage" href="http://sun.com/solaris/">Solaris</a>, <a href="http://java.com/">Java</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="MySQL" rel="homepage" href="http://www.mysql.com">MySQL</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="OpenOffice.org" rel="homepage" href="http://www.openoffice.org/">OpenOffice</a>, etc), this latest announcement of &#8216;Sun Cloud Storage&#8217; (equivalent to Amazon&#8217;s <a class="zem_slink" title="Amazon S3" rel="homepage" href="http://aws.amazon.com/s3">Simple Storage Service</a>, S3) and &#8216;Sun Cloud Compute&#8217; (equivalent to Amazon&#8217;s <a href="http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/">Elastic Compute Cloud</a>, EC2) should make Sun a serious player in the Cloud Computing space in a way that their abortive <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Grid">network.com</a> never really did.</p>
<p>So why is anyone discussing either a desire on Sun&#8217;s part to sell, or a desire on IBM&#8217;s part to consider buying?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve greatly enjoyed the insights of Sun CEO <a href="http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/executives/schwartz/bio.jsp">Jonathan Schwartz</a>, especially as enunciated most recently on <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/">his blog</a> in two videos discussing <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/step_one_adoption">community adoption of Sun&#8217;s open source software</a> and <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/commercial_innovation_3_of_4">the commercial models Sun deploys to monetise that community</a>. Despite Jonathan&#8217;s arguments, though, it seems to me that Sun lacks a fundamental piece of the whole; an effective and highly visible professional services arm. IBM has this. <a class="zem_slink" title="Hewlett-Packard" rel="homepage" href="http://www.hp.com">HP</a>, with the purchase of <a href="http://www.eds.com/">EDS</a>, has this. <a href="http://www.accenture.com/">Accenture</a> and gang <em>are</em> this, but nothing makes them choose to use or recommend Sun over its competitors today.</p>
<p>As Jonathan discusses in the first of the videos I pointed to (YouTube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oro3faNPxGY">version</a> embedded below, in two parts), Sun has been successful in encouraging use and innovation around a suite of open source operating systems, tools and applications.</p>
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<p>Indeed, it was little more than a year ago that the company <a href="http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/sun-to-acquire-mysql.html">announced plans</a> to spend some $800 million in acquiring European open source web database company MySQL. The problem is that these solutions are <em>all freely downloadable from the Web</em>, and the inevitable professional services and consultancy work associated with enterprise delivery — which could generate so much revenue — goes to far more companies than just Sun.</p>
<p>Alongside the software, Sun has a competitive range of hardware offerings in the enterprise space, and sells these in competition with IBM, HP, Dell and the rest.</p>
<p>By omitting a compelling and enveloping professional services proposition, Sun damages its own ability to capitalise upon its software and hardware efforts. Potential customers download Sun software, and then run it on anything; Sun gets a very small slice of the hardware sales. Sun isn&#8217;t doing <em>badly</em> at selling hardware, but maybe a more rounded services proposition would enable them to do <em>better</em>, despite Jonathan&#8217;s points in the commercial innovation video.</p>
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<p>With more emphasis on offering a comprehensive package of solutions — whilst not removing choice and the vibrant open source community of which Jonathan speaks — might Sun not be a more obvious choice for customers in need of services and support?</p>
<p>An acquisition might, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=14817">as Larry Dignan writes</a>, make sense. But there&#8217;s plenty of life left in a standalone Sun, too&#8230; <em>if</em> it can monetise more of those downloading free software or steer more of those who &#8216;just need a server&#8217; towards one with a Sun badge on the front. Professional Services are the road to both.</p>
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