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		<title>TOSCA may prove a prescient name for new cloud standards effort</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, open standards body OASIS unveiled yet another shiny new standards effort. The OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) Technical Committee hopes to make it &#8220;easier to deploy cloud applications without vendor lock-in,&#8221; and to support moving from one cloud to another. The usual suspects — the likes of IBM, CA, and Cisco [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last week, open standards body <a href="http://www.oasis-open.org/">OASIS</a> unveiled <a href="http://www.oasis-open.org/news/pr/tosca-tc">yet another shiny new standards effort</a>. The OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (<a href="http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=tosca">TOSCA</a>) Technical Committee hopes to make it &#8220;easier to deploy cloud applications without vendor lock-in,&#8221; and to support moving from one cloud to another. The usual suspects — the likes of IBM, CA, and Cisco — are on board. The usual holdouts — Google and Amazon, of course — are not. So what is TOSCA trying to achieve? How does it fit alongside all the dead, dying, or ponderously deliberating cloud standardisation efforts that have gone before? And without the giants of the cloud, is there really any point bothering?</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve probably mentioned before, involvement in various national and international standardisation efforts played a big part in my early career. I went to the working group meetings in odd (but often beautiful) locations. I participated in the conference calls. I engaged on the mailing lists. I drafted and edited and reviewed the documents. I completely buy into the idea that there is a place for foundational standards, developed through consensus-building and maintained for the long haul by organisations that stand apart from the vested interests and their competing agendas.</p>
<p>I also believe that there&#8217;s a time and a place for these standardisation efforts. Do it too soon, and we end up ossifying something that <em>needs</em> to be in a state of flux. When you don&#8217;t know what the best way to prepare a meal is, it&#8217;s too soon to print the recipe book. We need to try different approaches, and we need to be able to throw away the attempts that didn&#8217;t work out. More worryingly, standardisation efforts can be used for political ends. They can be little more than a rod with which to beat the (usually dominant) competition. At best a distraction, or a talking shop for those unwilling or unable to just get on and <em>do</em> something. At worst, one amongst a toolchest of dirty tricks in a broader war for hearts, minds, and — ultimately — wallets.</p>
<p>The cloud market is a fascinating place. There are leaders and there are followers. There is innovation, and there is competition. There is agreement, and there is debate. For all the rhetoric, and all the posturing, we really don&#8217;t yet know the <em>right</em> answer to many of the cloud&#8217;s questions.</p>
<p>Maybe TOSCA and the Open Data Center Alliance and IEEE and the rest are — still — too early, and should be content to let the <em>market</em> thrash out a few more of these issues before anyone tries to write anything down? And when it is time to write some stuff down, let&#8217;s make sure we focus on specific, finite, tangible, atomic tasks rather than &#8220;the cloud.&#8221; As Dave Roberts <a href="http://www.servicemesh.com/posts/bearish-on-tosca/">commented</a> in regard to TOSCA&#8217;s scope;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;That goal is so large, that I think it’s probably unbounded. When problems get unbounded, the best you can ever hope to achieve is to solve a large enough subset of the problem that the solution is still interesting. If you can’t achieve that, people ignore the solution because it fundamentally doesn’t help them. There is always an &#8216;interesting&#8217; part of the problem space that they have to solve a different way, and that undercuts the use of the partial &#8216;solution.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And as for Tosca? Things <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosca#Act_3">didn&#8217;t end well</a> for her, did they? Might TOSCA&#8217;s fate, too, be sealed?</p>
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		<title>David Eaves talks about Vancouver&#8217;s Open Data initiative</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Image via Wikipedia Back in May, ReadWriteWeb reported on a Motion put before legislators in the Canadian city of Vancouver. Duly passed, the Motion commits the city to three closely related &#8216;open&#8217; agendas; the City of Vancouver will move as quickly as possible to adopt prevailing open standards for data, documents, maps, and other formats [...]]]></description>
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<p>Back in May, <a class="zem_slink freebase/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000af2812c" title="ReadWriteWeb" rel="homepage" href="http://readwriteweb.com">ReadWriteWeb</a> reported on a Motion put before legislators in the Canadian city of <a class="zem_slink freebase/guid/9202a8c04000641f80000000000401e2" title="Vancouver" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver">Vancouver</a>. Duly passed, the <a href="http://eaves.ca/2009/05/14/vancouver-enters-the-age-of-the-open-city/">Motion</a> commits the city to three closely related &#8216;open&#8217; agendas;</p>
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<li>the City of Vancouver will move as quickly as possible to adopt prevailing open standards for data, documents, maps, and other formats of media;</li>
<li>the City of Vancouver, when replacing existing software or considering new applications, will place open source software on an equal footing with commercial systems during procurement cycles;</li>
<li>the City of Vancouver will freely share with citizens, businesses and other jurisdictions the greatest amount of data possible while respecting privacy and security concerns.</li>
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<p>Last week I spoke with <a href="http://eaves.ca/about/">David Eaves</a>, a co-author of the Motion, both to understand the city&#8217;s rationale, and to explore intentions for the third area — Open Data — in a little more depth. The result has just been released as a podcast, which is available below.</p>
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<p><em>Production of this podcast was supported by <a href="http://www.talis.com/">Talis</a>, and <a href="http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/2009/08/talking-with-david-eaves-about-open-data-and-open-government-in-vancouver.php">show notes</a> are available on their <a href="http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/">Nodalities</a> blog.</em></p>
<p>As more and more data become available as a matter of course, the examples set by organisations such as <a href="http://www.mysociety.org/">MySociety</a> become increasingly attainable for us all. Other than ensuring that it is &#8216;open,&#8217; do we need to be asking for more from those making data available? And once it&#8217;s there, will its use and scrutiny move beyond the enthusiasts and activists to encompass the population at large?</p>
<p>David shares his views on these and other questions during our conversation.</p>
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Back in May, ReadWriteWeb reported on a Motion put before legislators in the Canadian city of Vancouver. Duly passed, the Motion commits the city to three closely related &#8216;open&#8217; agendas;

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Back in May, ReadWriteWeb reported on a Motion put before legislators in the Canadian city of Vancouver. Duly passed, the Motion commits the city to three closely related &#8216;open&#8217; agendas;

the City of Vancouver will move as quickly as possible to adopt prevailing open standards for data, documents, maps, and other formats of media;
the City of Vancouver, when replacing existing software or considering new applications, will place open source software on an equal footing with commercial systems during procurement cycles;
the City of Vancouver will freely share with citizens, businesses and other jurisdictions the greatest amount of data possible while respecting privacy and security concerns.

Last week I spoke with David Eaves, a co-author of the Motion, both to understand the city&#8217;s rationale, and to explore intentions for the third area — Open Data — in a little more depth. The result has just been released as a podcast, which is available below.

Production of this podcast was supported by Talis, and show notes are available on their Nodalities blog.
As more and more data become available as a matter of course, the examples set by organisations such as MySociety become increasingly attainable for us all. Other than ensuring that it is &#8216;open,&#8217; do we need to be asking for more from those making data available? And once it&#8217;s there, will its use and scrutiny move beyond the enthusiasts and activists to encompass the population at large?
David shares his views on these and other questions during our conversation.
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What is an Open City? (mt-soft.com.ar)
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Doors are finally opening to public data (bookmarkdevil.com)
City of Vancouver embraces open data, standards and source (slumpedoverkeyboarddead.com)
Vancouver, BC Wants to be an Open City (readwriteweb.com)
Vancouver mulls making itself an &#8216;open city&#8217; (cbc.ca)
Vancouver&#8217;s Open Data, Open Standards, Open Source and the Vancouver Public Library (madanalogy.com)


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